Watch THE DAY AFTER: A Feminist Town Hall Forum
We only have the first hour of it, but what an hour it is!
After the jump, be sure to read the chat our online participants had during the event!
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19:11 LaurenD : yeah, so many people worked their butts off here to get out the vote for obama
19:12 LaurenD : obama is currently winning by 12,100 votes, in a 50/50 official tie
19:12 Veronica : My sis said they came to her house 3-4 times.
19:12 LaurenD : indeed we did :)
19:13 Deborah (girlwpen) : Kristen and Deborah (and Gloria!) are back from our pizza and ready to go….
19:14 LaurenD : how long is the townhall anticipated to last tonight?
19:14 Veronica : OK, BBFs dad is home, so time to head to my casita…will be off-line for about 20.
19:14 Amy(redsoxbatgirl) : Bye Veronica
19:14 JenniferPozner : bye roni, hug ella & tony for me!
19:15 NancyGruver : hi all!
19:15 LaurenD : hi hancy
19:15 LaurenD : *nancy
19:15 Veronica : Hi Nancy! (I’m waiting for rest of family to get going…)
19:16 Deborah (girlwpen) : Hi Nancy Gruver and Veronica and Jenn (and everyone else who I don’t yet know
19:17 LaurenD : we’re still waiting for audio
19:17 LaurenD : these are clips from CNW’s “what women want” events
19:17 NancyGruver : thought that looked like you, Deborah
19:18 Deborah (girlwpen) : hey - i disappeared
19:18 LaurenD : i think we’re seeing live stuff now
19:18 LaurenD : and audio! brilliant
19:18 LaurenD : this is live - i see loretta ross
19:19 Kety : there’s audio!
19:19 JenniferPozner : preiodic audio, but it seems sporadic. and there seems to be a lot of loud weird static
19:19 Deborah (girlwpen) : arghh - oh dear - sound check
19:19 Kristen (GirlwPen) : the audio isn’t great though
19:19 LaurenD : there’s lots of static
19:19 JenniferPozner : audio scratchy and hard on the ears…
19:19 JenniferPozner : hmm… now audio going in and out - sometimes silent
19:19 CNW : Yes, we’re working on it!
19:20 JenniferPozner : now jaclyn, you sound clear and non-scratchy. everyone else sounds quiet but scratchy, you sound crystal clear
19:21 LaurenD : very staticy
19:21 LaurenD : ooh, suddenly great
19:21 Deborah (girlwpen) : it’s good!!!
19:21 Kristen (GirlwPen) : much better!!
19:21 JenniferPozner : i thikn when you are close to the mike it’s static-y, but when you stand back you are clear
19:21 LaurenD : i am so excited - i miss CNW events so much
19:22 Heartfeldt : Are wee supposed to be hearing anythig now?
19:22 Deborah (girlwpen) : can’t hear very well—is it possible to turn it up over there?
19:22 LaurenD : I think it’s just chatting
19:22 LaurenD : no official presenting
19:23 Akil : can u hear audio?
19:23 Deborah (girlwpen) : nope
19:23 LaurenD : jaclyn, i can hear you chatting to the presenters
19:23 Deborah (girlwpen) : i mean, yep, but not discernable
19:23 Akil : ok
19:23 Deborah (girlwpen) : audio gone
19:23 LaurenD : and now it’s out
19:23 Deborah (girlwpen) : audio back
19:24 JenniferPozner : is this still going to be over at 9pmEST/7pmPST? can’t stay past 7pmPST
19:24 Lucinda Marshall : You might want to let your online audience know what is going on
19:24 CNW : OK, we’re getting started.
19:24 Patty : they will be back ina minute -
19:26 Deborah (girlwpen) : we hear someone saying “where are my bios where are my bios” hehe
19:26 LaurenD : that’s jaclyn ;)
19:26 LaurenD : jaclyn, stand back from the mic
19:26 JenniferPozner : JACLYN - YOU ARE STATICY WHEN YOU STAND TOO CLOSE TO THE MIKE
19:26 JenniferPozner : BUT WHEN YOU STAND BACK YOU SEEM OK/CLEAR
19:27 Akil : thanks
19:27 Lucinda Marshall : some static
19:27 Akil : how is it now?
19:27 Deborah (girlwpen) : we hear like 3 people’s voices
19:27 Deborah (girlwpen) : all at once
19:27 LaurenD : i only hear jaclyn…
19:27 LaurenD : it’s working great here
19:28 Akil : good
19:30 Deborah (girlwpen) : my sound and Kristen’s sound are wacky but Gloria’s is working so we’re just listening through her
19:31 CNW : Is that better sound?
19:31 Akil : can u hear her?
19:31 LaurenD : michelle is very clear
19:31 Akil : good
19:32 LaurenD : the adoption ban was arkansas, no?
19:35 JenniferPozner : i couldn’t agree more with Michelle’s comment about some of the factions of the mainstream feminist movement carrying on divisively and badly - for ex.,
19:36 JenniferPozner : the (*few* but vocal) “rouge” members of NOW who supported McCain as a way to “punish” the Dems for not electing Hillary
19:36 Patty : its hard to hear, i’ve got my volume all the way up
19:36 JenniferPozner : Now, I’m not someone who believes Democrats are “owed” feminst votes - or any votes. I certainly understand wanting to push a party toward your perspective, and
19:37 JenniferPozner : if there was a desire to “punish” Dems for not choosing a feminist woman as the nominee, then
19:37 Eeva : i’ve got my volume all the way up too
19:37 JenniferPozner : why in the world would anyone with that goal support McCain/Palin, whose politics were decidely antifeminist, when there was actually another
19:38 JenniferPozner : feminist option — Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente would have been very clear “symbolic” statements in terms of letting the Dems understand that a voter was
19:38 JenniferPozner : interested in more progressive, more feminist candidates.
19:38 Clare : I think the rogue members of NOW were vocal because the Media loved that story and spun the hell out of it.
19:38 LaurenD : jenn, as crazy as it is i think that some people were really inspired by palin, though
19:39 LaurenD : one of my good friends who calls herself a pro-choice feminist voted for mccain/palin
19:39 Heartfeldt : Gloria here- jennnifer, I agree with you. Ther ehas been the most amazing conversation going on here after I posted Robin Morgan’s commentary.
19:39 JenniferPozner : Lauren, sure, you’re right - but the women who were inspired by palin, weren’t they mostly right wing women? I’m tlking about the liberal women who voted McCain
19:39 LaurenD : well, that’s who i am thinking of
19:40 JenniferPozner : /Palin specifically to “punish” the Dems for not choosing Hillary. Why wouldn’t they go McKinney/Clemente, considering that they are both progressive feminists?
19:40 LaurenD : i have a friend who voted mccain/palin even though she calls herself a pro choice fminist
19:40 Deborah (girlwpen) : i could hear the moderator MUCH better than current speaker — can speaker speak louder?
19:40 Heartfeldt : The rage these women feel is palpable,; nevetheless I still odn’t understand how they think voting for McCain was an effective strategy
19:40 LaurenD : i mean, i don’t udnerstand it logically
19:40 Clare : Agreed - doesn’t make much sense.
19:41 JenniferPozner : yeah, i don’t, either. perhaps the reason that people weren’t supporting the actual opposition candidates is because there was specifically ZERO coverage of
19:41 Kristen (GirlwPen) : Not at all; I understand how important Hillary was, but when it was over, it was time to look at who would be best for all women in this country
19:41 JenniferPozner : McKinner/Clemente’s run in corporate broadcast news.
19:41 Akil : it should a bit louder now
19:41 Akil : is it?
19:42 Deborah (girlwpen) : it’s ok (Kristen and I still are gettin gmultiple voices at once, so we’re still all listening to Gloria’s)
19:42 JenniferPozner : She is describing nearly every night on corporate media — not just election night. It’s a structural problem/
19:42 Deborah (girlwpen) : Nancy Pelosi’s ***?!
19:43 Deborah (girlwpen) : wow — i wrote teh b-word and it got censored!
19:43 LaurenD : ha, wow
19:43 LaurenD : just as jaclyn said “we have no fcc”
19:43 Deborah (girlwpen) : haha!
19:43 JenniferPozner : the biggest bias in corporate media is institutional/structural — which is why everyone involved in this conversation needs to be involved in media justice wor
19:43 JenniferPozner : media justice work, i mean.
19:43 Deborah (girlwpen) : *** (just tryin it again , hehe)
19:44 Deborah (girlwpen) : *** (trying an s-word)
19:44 JenniferPozner : ***
19:44 Deborah (girlwpen) : ok, i’ll stop now — this is just too much fun (***!)
19:44 JenniferPozner : yep, my favorite F word (othe than “feminist” of course), so utilitarian, was censored…
19:44 Deborah (girlwpen) : well, at least feminist isn’t censored, huh
19:45 Heartfeldt : I want OBama to appoint Nancy Pelosi and HArry Reid to cabinet positions to ge them out of their leadership positions and let people with backbone take over.
19:45 JenniferPozner : yep — for censorship of feminism, we have to turn back to corporate media…
19:45 Heartfeldt : Obama is going to need partners in the Congressional leadership who can get things done,
19:46 JenniferPozner : Gloria - that’s quite an interesting idea. Having worked with members of Congress, etc., who do you see as the folks you’d like in cabinet positions &Congress?
19:46 Clare : Rahm Emmanuel was appointed Chief of Staff? Or not officially…
19:47 Kristen (GirlwPen) : I think not officially… but it’s basically a done deal according to most
19:47 Deborah (girlwpen) : Dream team: Donna Brazille, HRC (tho she says she’s not interested?)…
19:47 Kristen (GirlwPen) : Obama said he would wait a few days to make the major appointment announcements
19:47 viviennehd : viviennehd: I saw it as a news flash earlier today.
19:47 JenniferPozner : I’d be interested in Donna Brazile as head of health and human services — she gave an amazing peech at the race/gender/media conference at St. Johns, mentionin
19:48 Deborah (girlwpen) : Such a Washington insider as Chief of Staff..hmm…
19:48 Clare : He is pretty partisan and aggressive
19:48 JenniferPozner : that the one primary goal she has had, the reason she got into politics, is because she wants every child to have health insurance… she’d fight on that…
19:48 Deborah (girlwpen) : can paula speak louder?
19:48 JenniferPozner : ditto, hard to hear Paula
19:49 JenniferPozner : CNW folks — will this chat be transcribed later for public record?
19:49 CNW : Is the sound any better now?
19:49 Clare : Linda Darling-Hammond for Education Secretary please.
19:50 Deborah (girlwpen) : nope
19:50 Deborah (girlwpen) : i mean nope to the sound being better, not to ed sec!
19:50 Eeva : no, still way low
19:50 Kristen (GirlwPen) : the best sound comes from the podium mike
19:50 Lucinda Marshall : we really can’t hear
19:50 JenniferPozner : can the panelists not sit, but instead deliver their comments from the podium?
19:50 Lucinda Marshall : much better
19:50 CNW : Better?
19:50 JenniferPozner : that might solve the sound problems, if people don’t mind (or don’ot have physical limitations) standing
19:51 Eeva : yes, better now
19:51 Heartfeldt : Hillary as Majority leader would be a perfect fit. She totally understands how to work the process to make things happen
19:51 veronica : I’m back! I know ya missed me.
19:51 JenniferPozner : oh! better now - when she holds mike closer. when she holds mike farther, not so good
19:51 Deborah (girlwpen) : only a little better — would be GREAT if panelists could talk into podium mike as suggested
19:51 Deborah (girlwpen) : We missed you V
19:52 veronica : Chicago is still on a high…it’s awesome.
19:52 JenniferPozner : larry summers? how has Barack been like Summers? (because Summers is really, deeply problematic)
19:52 Deborah (girlwpen) : i’m SO Chicagoproud today
19:52 veronica : Barack wants Larry as Sect of Treasury, Jenn. Can you believe that?
19:52 Deborah (girlwpen) : EWWWWW
19:53 Heartfeldt : In the house a younger, emerging leader as Speaker would be good. Loretta Sanchez comes to mind because she has been there long enough to earn some stripes.
19:53 cfeldt : Hi Heartfeldt! this is your sister typing.
19:53 veronica : Eldercare!! woo!
19:53 JenniferPozner : HOLY HELL! Sec of Treasury? DAMN. see, that isn’t moerate - that’s flat out neo-con.
19:53 Lucinda Marshall : Gloria, what other women in Congress do you think would be good in positions of power. I’m thinking of women like Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters
19:53 Deborah (girlwpen) : Hi Gloria’s sister!!!
19:53 Lucinda Marshall : who are always so eloquent
19:53 LaurenD : larry summers who said that women can’t perform in sciences at harvard!? wow.
19:53 LaurenD : unfortunate.
19:53 Deborah (girlwpen) : understatement
19:54 Heartfeldt : or Barbara Lee. Or if we are going for th e newer wave of women eaders, Debbie wasserman schultz is brilliant, as is Gabrielle Giffords
19:54 Lucinda Marshall : is that definite about Summers?
19:54 Heartfeldt : Hi Sister Candy!
19:54 veronica : Yes….that Larry. AKA my fave guy…who in one fell swoop secured my job.
19:54 Lucinda Marshall : I heard it as a rumor earlier
19:54 Deborah (girlwpen) : yay for V’s job security! thanks, Larry
19:54 veronica : Nothing’s definite yet…Kim Gandy made some grumbles on HuffPo about it today
19:54 JenniferPozner : here’s what i’ve been saying all week (and longer): i don’t believe that Obama is going to be the huge progressive hope-deliverer that so many people have been
19:54 LaurenD : oh, no
19:54 LaurenD : he’s not
19:55 JenniferPozner : banking on. he’s not even interested in universal health care, for just one example. like the panelists have been saying, he’s a moderate. BUT — i’ll be happy
19:55 veronica : I’ve been saying for 18 mos that Obama wasn’t going to be progressive. Maybe peeps will believe me now!
19:55 Lucinda Marshall : well I think this might be a good time to write about how we would all be quite appalled by summers
19:55 LaurenD : i don’t even see him that way, honestly. i am thrilled that he won for many reasons, but am not harboring the “progressive” illusion
19:55 viviennehd : how about surrounding himself with competent problem-solvers?
19:55 JenniferPozner : if he, like doctors are supposed to do, takes an oath to DO NO HARM. Bill Clinton talked a great game as well, and then totally crewed us: horrible for women an
19:56 JenniferPozner : and low income people and people of color in a lot of specific ways — welfare reform, 3 strikes you’re out, NAFTA, and TELECOM 96, DOMA, etc
19:56 veronica : Woooooo LoRo!
19:56 JenniferPozner : if Obama just doesn’t do any harm, and rolls back the Bush doctrine, that’ll be huge
19:56 Deborah (girlwpen) : sound so good right now! can Loretta speak into the podium mike perhaps?!!!
19:56 Clare : I’m just happy that the Supreme Court nominees will be half-way decent
19:57 Heartfeldt : So the reality is in politics, friends will do you in as fast as enemies. The antidote is to go to them with a concrete agenda and the abiity to mobilize the
19:57 Deborah (girlwpen) : ok, sound is good now - delete my last one
19:57 Lucinda Marshall : Let’s face i t, women’s issues, except for the issue of abortion have been as usual on the backburner in this campaign and we shouldn’t be deluded about that
19:57 NancyGruver : yes - supreme court is huge
19:57 veronica : I hope so Clare. Can any Supremes who will die, do it before we lose control of the COngress?
19:57 Clare : Word.
19:57 Heartfeldt : ….grassroots to support the issue while making it impossible for OBama not to support it.
19:57 NancyGruver : i think some of them will resign to make room for quick appointments
19:58 Clare : I think some of them are as old as McCain, so that sounds about right.
19:58 Deborah (girlwpen) : me too, Loretta
19:58 Kristen (GirlwPen) : I’m there with LaurenD, I never held that vision either, it’s our job to apply the progressive pressure…but he’s going in the right direction
19:58 veronica : Hmm….maybe Nancy…esp Ruth. I bet she tells Obama who appt. Won’t make same mistake Sandra made
19:58 Heartfeldt : but the earliesr resignations are most likely to be the more liberal ones—Stephens for example, who is in his late 80’s.
19:58 Kristen (GirlwPen) : Does anyone know abuot Obama’s transition team? There are a number of women in it I htink
19:59 Lucinda Marshall : Brava Loretta!
19:59 veronica : His BFF is a woman (Valerie Jarrett) & on the transition team
19:59 JenniferPozner : damn right, Loretta.
20:00 NancyGruver : i am very hopeful for many women in leadership in this admin - but it won’t be like having a woman prez
20:00 JenniferPozner : Loretta is one of the wisest leaders in the feminist and anti-racist movements, and it’s too damn bad that she isn’t nationally heard on every major news outlet
20:00 veronica : Dang straight, Jenn!
20:01 veronica : I was lucky enuff to meet LoRo & escort her to a mtg in chicago. swoooon
20:01 Deborah (girlwpen) : Even Bush mentioned in his speech today how significant a black family moving into the White House is…
20:01 NancyGruver : i lost the audio - how do i get it back?
20:01 JenniferPozner : i wish loretta was ON MSNBC and Fox News, not just watching it. and she would be… if we had a media climate that was actually interested
20:01 Lucinda Marshall : maybe close the page and reopen it?
20:01 JenniferPozner : in broad-based perspectives
20:01 Deborah (girlwpen) : “postracial” - such a dangerous term. like “postfeminist”
20:01 LaurenD : loretta is great
20:02 Heartfeldt : Transition team—headed by JOhn Podesta, today they announced Janet Napolitano and Frederico Pena
20:02 Kristen (GirlwPen) : good point Deborah—it’s important to realize we can have a politics of inclusion and the straddling of various identities without
20:02 Lucinda Marshall : Gloria—what will pena and and napolitano be doing?
20:03 Kristen (GirlwPen) : giving the impression that race issues are over
20:03 Lucinda Marshall : I think they are great choices, both very capable people
20:03 Deborah (girlwpen) : yeah - “post-Civll Rights generaiton” never made sense to me
20:03 Heartfeldt : Lucinda, i don’t know exactly, but Pena was transportation secretary for Clinton
20:03 Clare : I’m so happy she’s talking about our leader being smarter than most people…
20:03 Clare : it’s a good thing - and the
20:03 Lucinda Marshall : yes and former mayor of denver when I lived there
20:04 Clare : “post-racial” ***
20:04 veronica : transition team: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_names_transition_team_le.html
20:04 LaurenD : hmm…
20:04 Lucinda Marshall : this is the sound of me giving Loretta a standing ovation
20:04 Eeva : word, Loretta. word.
20:04 LaurenD : i think that she’s got very valid critiques of the lgbtq rights movement there
20:04 Lucinda Marshall : thanks roni
20:04 JenniferPozner : Here’s the equation in corporate media: “Post-racial” and/or “colorblind” and/or “transcending race” = “civil rights struggles no longer needed, racism not a
20:05 JenniferPozner : problem anymore in America, so stop your whining”
20:05 LaurenD : it takes some work to make those shared oppressions visible and something that all factions want to support… we have to work harder on that one
20:05 Kristen (GirlwPen) : Palin was the epitome of that “she’s seems like she could be one of us” phenomenon
20:06 veronica : woooooo!!
20:06 JenniferPozner : just like corp media use of “post-feminism” and/or “is feminism dead?” nearly always = “sexism is a thing of the past” or “have we (media) killed feminism yet?”
20:06 Deborah (girlwpen) : Cue Sisterhood, Interrupted! (sorry)
20:06 Lucinda Marshall : oh I’m so glad it is post feminism, can I go on vacation now?
20:06 JenniferPozner : Veronica, which of the panelists’ comments did you “woooo”?
20:06 kety : can’t hear her..
20:06 veronica : Loretta
20:06 Lucinda Marshall : back in awhile, need to attend to a couple of other things
20:06 Kristen (GirlwPen) : can’t hear
20:06 Deborah (girlwpen) : can’t hear!
20:07 veronica : can’t hear!
20:07 CNW : Better?
20:07 veronica : better
20:07 kety : yes but still quiet
20:07 Kristen (GirlwPen) : barely
20:07 JenniferPozner : lucinda, you always make me laugh. yes, you & i and all of us can all go to tahiti now because we are in a post-feminist, post-racial America. oh, no, wait, in
20:07 JenniferPozner : this suposedly equitable country, none of us could AFFORD to go on vacation!
20:08 TZT : What an amazing panel this is.
20:08 Kristen (GirlwPen) : really still hard to hear
20:09 kety : Yes. Great panel. Looking forward to seeing youtube
20:09 kety : computer giving me trouble
20:10 JenniferPozner : LOST SOUND ENTIRELY
20:10 Clare : missed the punchline
20:10 JenniferPozner : oh, it’s back now
20:10 veronica : me too
20:10 kety : In case my computer dies… I have a question about the Latino vote. Can y’all make sure it gets asked?
20:11 veronica : kety…submit the Q in the mail Moglus site
20:11 kety : & also a question on Immigration. Two separate questions.
20:11 veronica : but sure…ask it here and I’ll ask it. :)
20:11 kety : my computer already died once…
20:11 kety : scared to do too much on it…
20:12 Ariel : You can’t have the speakers holding their own mikes…….it almost never works!!
20:12 kety : Question: How do you think we can get the new president to speak to and work on Comprehensive Immigration Reform?
20:12 kety : (it was never spoken to during the debate, except on Spanish TV/radio…
20:13 JenniferPozner : Damn right — Bylle is so right that health care for every single person is a human rights issue — which I feel very personally not only because I believe that
20:13 Sarah : it is indeed.
20:13 JenniferPozner : she is right politiically — but as an activist who has not had health insurance for 8 years, i am scared to death about that every single day
20:13 LaurenD : if you’ve never heard loretta ross speak about the human rights framework and reproductive justice, you should go find an opportunity to do so
20:13 LaurenD : she’s incredible
20:15 LaurenD : a-men.
20:16 veronica : woo…AEM!!
20:16 veronica : woo!! AEM!!
20:17 veronica : speak up anne!
20:17 veronica : hello!
20:18 JenniferPozner : DAMN RIGHT AEM, glad someone finally brought up Rosa (and Cynthia). i had the same struggle last week when i voted in NY early. i knew i was going to vote for
20:18 JenniferPozner : Obama but i had a really hard time actually not filling in the circle for Rosa. she’s an activist, an indy journalist, an organizer, a feminist, a progressive,
20:18 veronica : It was a love in last night!
20:18 JenniferPozner : an anti-racist… and i had the hardest time not filling in the circle for her
20:20 Lucinda Marshall : missed beginning of McKinney Clemente remark re voting angst and hey tahiti sounds great
20:20 JenniferPozner : “gloriously centrist” desc. of Rehm by CNN — maps to the alert FAIR put out today about corporate media focusing on the centrist angle, doing best attempt to
20:20 JenniferPozner : push Obama to center/right
20:21 Lucinda Marshall : i share your concern about the move to the center
20:21 JenniferPozner : YES: so glad that the panel started out with Michelle talking about corproate media, and Anne ending with the discussion of structural media bias &commercialism
20:22 LaurenD : I’m all for the AEM platform of awesomeness.
20:22 JenniferPozner : and the need for more space for independent media production.
20:22 LaurenD : sign me up.
20:22 veronica : Ditto laurenD
20:22 JenniferPozner : YES!!! Roll back Telecom 96 as FIRST step, not last step. very important.
20:23 JenniferPozner : media regulation must be a top-tier feminist issue. this plays out in so many ways. incidentally, if people are interested in ways that this plays out, you can
20:23 JenniferPozner : check out the MAGENT (Media Action Grassroots Network) which has a 10point platform for media justice/change
20:24 JenniferPozner : FYI to SEATTLE-ites: Tomorrow if you’re interested in these issues, i’d love to invite you all to a Reclaim the Media/Women In Media & News event in Seattle on
20:24 JenniferPozner : gender, race and the media at Antioch U.
20:25 kety : shoot my screen froze
20:26 Lucinda Marshall : how about issues like passing CEDAW, UNSC 1325 and I-VAWA
20:26 JenniferPozner : Also — if you’re interested in the problms re. commercialism in media and ways to solve — check out Anne’s book, UnMarketable. it’s brilliant
20:26 veronica : Question: How do you think we can get the new president to speak to and work on Comprehensive Immigration Reform?
20:27 Lucinda Marshall : static again
20:27 LaurenD : THANKS, CNW interns!!!!
20:27 Deborah (girlwpen) : yay CNW interns!!!
20:27 Deanna : It’s amazing! Thanks for this!
20:27 JenniferPozner : QUESTION: Brilliant that the panel started out with Michelle talking about corporate media bias and ended with Anne talking about conslidation &commercialism—
20:27 kety : Thanks CNW interens!!!
20:27 veronica : whoop for the CNW interns!
20:27 Deanna changed his nickname to Deanna Ruth.
20:28 kety changed his nickname to Kety Esquivel.
20:28 veronica : MO has already stated she wants to wk on work-life issues, working mom stuff
20:28 Lucinda Marshall : look at the male bias in Deanna’s name change announce!
20:28 veronica changed his nickname to vivalafeminista.
20:28 Lucinda Marshall : geez, talk about the wrong crowd for male centric software lol
20:29 Kety Esquivel : Je je je!
20:29 Kety Esquivel : Nice
20:29 Deanna Ruth : I don’t mind being identified as a male once in a while. ;)
20:29 Kety Esquivel : I really hope they will speak to immigration.
20:29 Madama : I want to propose a meta-structural way to bring all of the organizations already working in feminism together under a smokin’ hot narrative…
20:29 JenniferPozner : so my question is: do you see a connection between the center/right bias of corporate media (ie, the “Obama should move to the center” meme) and the public
20:29 Heartfeldt : Remember the long conversation we had on WAM re Michelle’s declining to call herself a feminist?
20:30 JenniferPozner : perception that everything will be fine now that Obama’s in the Oval Office — that we should basically think the change has already happened? How do you all
20:30 Madama : I’m saying that this next phase needs a new narrative. We need to steal back the narrative!
20:30 Kety Esquivel : I am cautiously optimistic. :-)
20:30 Ariel : Lucinda, yes to CEDAW etc. I placed this issue into hands of my news Senator- Tom Udall last June.
20:31 JenniferPozner : suggest we counter the post-Bill Clinton effect of everyone basically going to sleep, thinking that “daddy” would take care of everything even while Bill passed
20:31 Lucinda Marshall : well I think with Biden we have a unique opportunity with that
20:31 Kety Esquivel : THANK YOU!!!
20:31 JenniferPozner : welfare reform, DOMA, NAFTA, Telecom 96, 3 strikes, et.? How do we avoid that again?
20:31 Kety Esquivel : uh oh
20:31 Kety Esquivel : …
20:31 vivalafeminista : haha…
20:31 Kety Esquivel : waiting with baited breath
20:31 Deborah (girlwpen) : QUESTION FOR PANEL: How might feminist orgs come together at this moment and most effectively have impact in the new Administration?
20:32 Lucinda Marshall : Question: How do we get women’s concerns on the agenda period.
20:32 vivalafeminista : D - Feminist Caucus/coalition
20:32 Kety Esquivel : kitchen sink approach?
20:32 JenniferPozner : (CNW interns, did that question make sense since it was broken up into a few lines?)
20:32 Kety Esquivel : progressive immigration reform… mmm…
20:33 Kety Esquivel : other sherrifs
20:33 Kety Esquivel : progressives need to own this issue
20:34 Ariel : Nader said on DN! today that he is going to organize civic action groups in each Congressional district.
20:34 Madama : Obama groups are doing the same, in SF…
20:35 JenniferPozner : Nader said he’s going to so something after an election? about damn time… wish he’d done a damn thing after the 2000 election, when he actually had several
20:35 vivalafeminista : Ariel…I’ll believe it when i see it. Nadar seems like a lot of talk
20:35 CNW : It totally made sense. I just hope my translation captures your intent.
20:35 Kety Esquivel : Yea
20:35 JenniferPozner : million people, esp. young people, energized. but he dropped the ball then, unfrotunately. he could have had amazing impact after 2000.but now? he’s… weak
20:36 Kety Esquivel : Yes we can- Came from Si Se Puede?
20:36 JenniferPozner : yep, Roni, we’re on the same wavelength yet again
20:36 Ariel : Yes, but its a great concept.
20:36 JenniferPozner : ariel, i agree. i wonder if he has the heft to do it - or the real intent to do it - now.
20:36 Kristen (GirlwPen) : Very weak, but if there’s one thing this election has taught us, it’s that if done well the population can be organized around issues, the “apathy” generation
20:36 Heartfeldt : Question for panel: If you could have your top three items on Obama’s firnst 100 days agenda, what would they be? Specifically?
20:37 Kristen (GirlwPen) : myth can no longer be promulgated
20:37 JenniferPozner : perhaps he’ll actively pursue it since he seems to be more motivated to push Dems to the left than to organize against GOP
20:37 JenniferPozner : great question, Gloria
20:38 Ariel : three top: Violence to women; media reform; UNIVERSAL health care
20:38 Kety Esquivel : Feet to the fire! Inclusive we- do not let go.
20:39 vivalafeminista : Michelle Obama on working moms:: http://www.vivalafeminista.com/2008/02/michelle-obama-on-working-moms.html
20:41 JenniferPozner : I think my top 3 are: media reform (see MAGNET 10 pt platform), withdrawl from Iraq & saner foreign policy (including rolling back bloated miliary budget), and
20:41 Lucinda Marshall : just fyi, links in chat don’t seem to be live
20:41 JenniferPozner : universal health care - including access to wide range of reproductive health issues (and that includes revoking the global gaga rule)
20:42 JenniferPozner : that would me my top 3 for 1st 100 days
20:42 JenniferPozner : nice, Loretta - “we know the difference bet. Barack Obama and Clarence Thomas”)
20:42 Lucinda Marshall : We can say what we want all we want, but we need a mechanism for getting them on the agenda in the first place—to insist that our priorities are taken seriousl
20:42 Madama : do we really have to talk about that ***?
20:42 Heartfeldt : Well I can sure go for those, Jenn!
20:43 JenniferPozner : a, thanks for asking the question — i hadn’t thought about what my top three would be before you asked. but as soon as you asked, it strikes me as these being
20:43 Lucinda Marshall : we can put all those concerns under the umbrella of insuring human rights for all
20:43 Ariel : Yes, this question is KEY. How do our issues get on the Obama Agenda—at any level?
20:44 vivalafeminista : Top 3: Reform college loan system - no more banks, fed only; freedom of choice act; kyoto or some sort of climate change law
20:44 Madama : WE set the agenda, we get very visible and on the same page, and WE invited Obama to OUR table…
20:44 JenniferPozner : lucinda, i think ideally you’re right in that all these fall under human rights model, but in terms of policy priorities, the logistics of how govt works mean
20:44 Heartfeldt : Lucinda, your observaton that we can say all we want but need a mechanism is right on. Are we as women prepared to mass our power together to hold him accounta
20:44 JenniferPozner : that we have to break things down into digestible bites
20:45 Heartfeldt : accountable that should have said.
20:45 Lucinda Marshall : what Loretta just said—if we aren’t at the table, no one is getting our memo
20:45 Kety Esquivel : mmhmm
20:45 Lucinda Marshall : exactly Gloria
20:46 Lucinda Marshall : and again, most of Jenn and Ariel’s points are connected and I think we should present them that way
20:46 JenniferPozner : thank you so much to everyone who keeps the word “accountability” on the top of our lips - no going to sleep
20:46 Lucinda Marshall : Standing and clapping for Loretta again
20:46 Heartfeldt : I think we have a moment of potential power.
20:47 Kety Esquivel : A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-I-L-T-Y
20:47 Kety Esquivel : did she just say cojones?
20:47 Lucinda Marshall : Nor are our bodies the battlegrounds for war
20:47 Madama : Got to find ways to get invisible women visible online and in the conversation
20:48 Kety Esquivel : Yes. I’d be very interested in the conversation of finding ways to get “invisible” women visible online & in the conversation
20:49 Madama : Find a ways to get the “silent majority” into the process!!!
20:50 Madama : Obama people are getting ready to tell Obama what we want and to hold his feet to OUR fire!
20:50 JenniferPozner : something may have gotten lost in the translation with my question, because my question is not about MAJOR progressives — it’s about liberal leaning people who
20:50 JenniferPozner : think that Obama is the change… I know a lot of people who think that Obama is going to be so so so much better than Bush and that now we
20:50 Madama : Obama people take this seat at the table thing very seriously.
20:51 JenniferPozner : can finally have a “return to the good old days like when Clinton was great for the economy.”
20:51 JenniferPozner : YES, Anne is getting to the main point I was hoping to get at.
20:52 vivalafeminista : Just as I lost my audio! :(
20:53 JenniferPozner : The reason I asked is both about the difficulty and the need for structural media change — but also related to the 1992 effect of, literally, membership in
20:53 JenniferPozner : almost every major mainstream liberal group dropped — NOW, NACCY, ACLU, etc., membership dropped, funding dropped, etc. - people went to sleep. Now, we have
20:54 Madama : yes, we have to build constituency among the now silenced, invisible and even pre-feminist women
20:54 JenniferPozner : that history to remind us not to do that this time. But with media calling Obama both “radical” and “socialist” &simultaneously calling him “gloriously centrist
20:54 vivalafeminista : I can offer workshops on talking football!
20:55 vivalafeminista : baseball & other sports! :)
20:55 JenniferPozner : it becomes really complicated to get people who are NOT hardcore progressives to understand that work/organizing is still needed — or that we need major media
20:55 JenniferPozner : change work, too…
20:55 vivalafeminista : Good job, Jaclyn!
20:57 JenniferPozner : i wish they’d have answered Gloria’s “top 3 priorities for Obama’s 100 days” questions
20:57 vivalafeminista : maybe that’s the wrap up Q?
20:58 JenniferPozner : Anne’s “do something small” is important — but I don’t agree that we should only be conceptualizing community organizing for money — the pay issue is HUGE, of
20:58 LaurenD : thanks, akil!!
20:59 JenniferPozner : course, but if we waited to do social justice work only for money, there’d be a whole lot less social justice work going on out there. I mean, I work full time
20:59 vivalafeminista : If we want others to value their work, we need to value our work. Get paid. :)
21:01 JenniferPozner : as WIMN’s exec director, and i don’t draw a salary for it, i squeak out a living through a variety of other thing - and of COURSE i (and ALL) activists should b
21:01 Akil : your welcome!
21:01 JenniferPozner : be paid for our work. but we also need to do the damn work, even if we can’t get paid for it. because some kinds of work just doesn’t get resourced. now of
21:02 JenniferPozner : course we need to make that an issue in and of itself. but in the meantime, we need to do the work, even if we’re broke. because the problems will still exist
21:02 JenniferPozner : ANNE — you just reiterated my top three priorities (i mentioned them earlier in the chat). thank you.
21:02 Kety Esquivel : :)
21:03 vivalafeminista : I agree, Jenn…totally
21:04 Madama : I really like this idea of institutional support for people coming together to learn how to process together.
21:05 Madama : wow…
21:05 Lucinda Marshall : I’ve got to get off, but it was great chatting with you all
21:05 vivalafeminista : bye lucinda!
21:06 Kety Esquivel : Nice chatting with you too!
21:07 Kety Esquivel : I like the summary and the fact that this was set up as a panel. It was a nice format & great way to create more interactivity.
21:08 JenniferPozner : interesting - needing a “Senator Clinton strategy” — interesting. not sure i agree, but it’s a fascinating thought
21:09 Kety Esquivel : yea. I picked up on that too.
21:09 vivalafeminista : Who else are we going to get to champion our issues? I know she’s not perfect, but I do think she’s the right one. For at least 1/2 our issues. ;-)
21:09 Madama : it can’t hurt to dialogue with her about how she sees herself representing women
21:09 Kety Esquivel : I think she’s a good start, but why not target others?
21:10 Madama : oh sure, many others as well…
21:10 vivalafeminista : I think if we get her on aboard, others will follow
21:10 Kety Esquivel : that might be true…
21:10 JenniferPozner : there’s another one of my priorities (the global gag rule as a part of the health care priority)
21:10 Kety Esquivel : clapping from home
21:10 Kety Esquivel : :)
21:10 Madama : me too, clapping
21:10 vivalafeminista : clap, clap
21:10 Kety Esquivel : yes.
21:10 Ariel : Yes, let’s create a list of five seven ten women in Congress to target for our issues
21:10 Kety Esquivel : I
21:11 Kety Esquivel : I like that idea!
21:11 JenniferPozner : we welcome your comments and questions at WIMN’s Voices - www.wimnonline.org/WIMNsVoicesBlog
21:11 Kety Esquivel : www.crossleft.org please keep me in the loop.
21:11 vivalafeminista : www.VivalaFeminista.com
21:11 Madama : I think these online panels are essential…need to see each other regularly
21:11 Kety Esquivel : I was disconnected too many times but will write something substantive after seeing the youtube videos.
21:11 JenniferPozner : please post your questions, comments, ideas, strategies, etc. - and if you have ideas about media analysis, media justice and/or media & politics, we accept
21:11 vivalafeminista : Ditto Madama
21:11 JenniferPozner : guest posts. email pitches to firstname.lastname@example.org
21:12 Madama : Veronica…I know where you live!
21:12 vivalafeminista : haha
21:12 Kety Esquivel : Ok. I
21:13 Ariel : Night , all. very successful panel, blogging, discussion.
21:13 vivalafeminista : there were 135 people on this event…I’d love to hear from the others. Eps at the next event! :)
21:13 JenniferPozner : actually at one point i think i even saw a larger number than 135
21:13 vivalafeminista : Great job, Jaclyn & Co.
21:13 Kety Esquivel : Bye
21:13 vivalafeminista : Night
21:13 Kety Esquivel : Yea
21:13 Madama : bye all…later
21:13 Kety Esquivel : Great job Jaclyn & co!!!
21:13 Heartfeldt : thanks everybody!
21:13 Eeva : thank you all
21:13 JenniferPozner : thanks so much to everyone at CNW for making this happen. and thanks to the visionary women on the panel for your wisdom.
21:13 Akil : thank you
21:14 CNW : Thank you everyone for such a great evening a nd a great conversation!
21:14 viviennehd : Really interesting discussion thanks from NCRW’s The Real Deal!
21:14 LaurenD : thanks to all the cnw folks for making this happen
21:14 LaurenD : it was so lovely to feel part of the cnw community after moving away 1.5 years ago!
21:15 LaurenD : goodnight
21:15 JenniferPozner : goodnight, all. logging off now.